May 15, 2011

Trey Gowdy Town Hall on Tuesday at Denny's On Wade Hampton


Here is a video of Congressman Gowdy before he chose to vote in favor of extending the Patriot Act on a permanent basis for four to six years. Here are the questions I would like to see people ask on Tuesday evening at Denny's:

1) Do you believe we were endowed by our creator with a right to liberty?

2) As a matter of philosophy, do you believe the liberty of the individual is above the powers of government?

3) As our elected representative to Congress, do you feel a responsibility to protect our civil liberties from an ever larger and more intrusive federal government even in situations where the Supreme Court has made a mistake?

The most disturbing aspect of the Patriot Act, and the most abused section is Title 5 that authorizes so-called "National Security Letters" (NSL). NSLs are issued so the government can gather the documents and information including employment, health, financial, and credit records. The NSL is analogous to a government subpoena, except that unlike civil subpoens which require notice to the target, the NSL is a secret subpoena sent to third parties. The third party recipients of the NSL are oftent threatened with criminal prosecution if they reveal their existance to the target. Moreover, third parties have little incentive to challenge a government NSL as the cost of doing so is prohibitive. It is much easier to just give the government the private information sought.

There is no requirement for probable cause before issuing a NSL. There also is no judicial oversight of the process. "Under five statutory provisions, the FBI can use national security letters (NSLs) to obtain – without a court order or any review by a court – records such as customer information from telephone companies, Internet service providers, financial institutions, and consumer credit companies." Testimony of Glen A. Fine, Inspector General Department of Justice (March 21, 2007). Moreover, at the FBI, the letters can be issued by any Special Agent in Charge of any field office, which means that the authority to approve a NSL is essentially local, is not reviewed at a higher level, and does not have to be directly linked to any actual terrorism case. (See link above.)

Between 2003 and 2006, the FBI issued 200,000 National Security Letters. As of 2005, the NSLs had been used to obtain more than one million personal records, including medical histories and credit reports. See 2008 Annual Report.

In 2010, the Holder Justice Department sought the records of 14,212 Americans, more than in the previous two years combined. Bloomberg News, Bin Laden's Death Won't End the Toll on American Taxpayers (May 12, 2011)

In 2010, the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Patrick Leahy (D. Vt), stated: "For years, I have been concerned about the issuance and oversight of NSLs. We now know that the National Security Letter authority was significantly misused." (See April 12, 2010 Press Release). Yet, the Gowdy cross-examination embedded below indicates Trey is going out of his way to justify the expansive, unsupervised government snooping.

[Note: At the Denny's Town Hall meeting, Trey said that the Bill he voted for at the House Judiciary Committee did not include addressing the NSL provisions. He suggested he would be in favor of an amendment that limited the FBI authority to issue NSLs. I hope to talk to him about that issue soon and will make a report here if I get to talk to Trey.]

Because the FBI snooping is carried out without the knowledge of the target, there are few judicial opinions that address whether the power is Constitutional. However, a New York U.S. District Court found that the NSL provisions for obtaining telephone records are unconstitutional. That NSL provision, "violates the Fourth Amendment because . . . it effectively bars or substantially deters any judicial challenge to the propriety of an NSL request." Doe v. Ashcroft, 334 F. Supp. 2d 471, 475 (S.D.N.Y. 2004).

A Republican Policy Committee report, Senate Should Reject Proposals to Weaken PATRIOT Act (Mar. 9, 2011), argues against any restrictions on FBI snooping.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just my opinion? Who won ?
Where is SC going with this? Gowdy voted for 3 parts of this act.
Dr. Bruce Fein is light years ahead in experience with law
and makes Dist. 4 Gowdy less than brilliant.

Fein's vocal presence is outlandish, prudent ,and distinguished.
I hope he continues speaking, we are getting free legal and
expert speeches by Fein. His vocabulary is strictly from Thomas Jefferson's day and age. What an honor to learn ,this is amazing. I must say Gowdy looks like a kid compared to Fein. But anyone would also fall into that same box. I respect the scholarship of both. But, I may agree that Gowdy's training does not match the Thomas Jefferson character of Dr. Fein.


I personally surmise that the Patriot act is only the opposite . It takes steps to reverse my understanding. It is misnamed or misnomer... I agreeing that Fein in each strong and steady step won over. I loved the expression that Fein stated.
John Adams Writs of Association is the child of the foundation of ... I shall go and listen to that again. It is poetic.

He said, if I can rephrase it: " We the People... have right to be left alone." John Adams point was clearly enunciated. That liberty is not third tier, but first. How beautiful is liberty and clearly drawn by Dr. Fein. Did you notice Fein spoke with referenced with no hesitations.
What a great discourse to learn 4th amendment rights.

The 10 minutes by the gentleman from SC. My voice vote:
Fein, 9 1/2 points, Gowdy, 1/2 point ( he hung in there).
Great discussion of Criminal law and reasonable cause, and some other first year law school : criminal law process.

If you evaluated the debate, how would you give the 10 points using 1 point per minute? This is just a fun response: I love Constitutional Law, which is woven into criminal law.

My opinion: if you pick and select the parts of the Act you like,
that is not great thinking. That's like picking parts of the Bible your favor, over parts you do not follow.

How could we see so much and experience crime on the streets and not see clearly, 'inappropriate touching without probable cause' is justified applied during Airport travel? There is debate: a few criminals cause everyone's personal liberty to
be taken. When in fact, no crime has been stopped, only the
Christmas day event, the guy with the device caught on fire
in the restroom. Otherwise, no one would have know.

When you broadly stand with all citizens, children and grand- mothers, we should quickly take the blind fold off the eyes of justice.
A child of 5 can see this is unjustified and a violation
of the right of privacy.
Expectation of privacy is a standard, and if it falls in the hands of a third party, as on FarmVille, you have given permission for anyone to see what you say. Plain view doctrine, all that clearly understood. This act : a US citizen is now left without freedom of those clearly defined laws. The Patriot Act is just bad law at its worse.
Let's just go back to the Constitution and throw out the bad law. GW
Bush made a mistake.

My southern saying, 'if you give the national government a toe hold, they soon have a foot hold, and...they never stop.
All Americans are now in slavery. We owe trillions because of bad leadership in Washington. This seems planned by the enemies of liberty. The re-distribution in wealth is not working, everyone is in debt to China . Cure: lower taxes, more reason to work, less government regulation of business, not more like Boeing, and
let the people control the government, telling them to listen to the people.
There are flaws in every man, but a group defines justice under the laws of the land.


Thank you for the link.



Gwen W Neighbors

Anonymous said...

1. Why is the 10-year old Patriot Act even being considered for extension when there have been no particularized congressional findings that specific crimes of international terrorism would have been perpetrated but for the Patriot Act authorities conferred on government? The FBI should be required to disclose in classified briefings to Congress actual international terrorist investigations, apprehensions, and convictions post-Patriot Act and explain why pre-Patriot Act authorities would have been enabled the suspect to escape justice. Congress should have an independent lawyer at the sessions to make an independent assessment of the FBIs’ claims and legal analysis.

2. When FISA amendments lapsed for six months in 2008 during House-Senate negotiations on an extension, the Administration predicted tens of thousands of Americans could die because of FISA professedly critical authorities had ended. The prediction proved spectacularly false. Not a single terrorist incident transpired in that interval. Why shouldn’t the Patriot Act be suspended for six months to test the non-substantiated speculations by its proponents that its authorities are indispensable to thwarting international terrorism that cannot be accomplished with pre-Patriot Act powers? If nothing untoward happens in the six-month interval, the Act should be suspended for an additional 12 months. If an act of international terrorism does not succeed in the United States in that interval, then the Act should be repealed. Americans would prefer to take some risk and preserve their inherent and Fourth Amendment right to be left alone from government snooping and surveillance, than live as vassals to a Big Brother government in exchange for a false promise of absolute safety. Repealing the Patriot Act would mean tens of millions of American citizens would avoid gratuitous government intrusions on their right to be left alone—the most cherished right among civilized people.

Anonymous said...

Trey appears to be an ASS in this video. i wonder who's payin him???

Anonymous said...

What is the matter with him????? I thought he was a defender of the CONSTITUTION!!!

This election year is going to be pretty damned maddening! I guess we better start looking for someone to be part of the SC CONSERVATIVE delegation in Congress come 2012!

These are great questions... However, I feel pretty strongly that we need to remind him that what HE believes in, likes, dislikes, or wants is irrelevant, because HE works for us and WE, his constituents do not want him voting for a law that has consistently violated one of the most important tenets of our Constitution for many years under the disguise of ‘security’.

This is the same type of thing we get from Lindsey. He does what HE wants, what HE believes in and what HE thinks is best for us. That is NOT what they were elected to do! And if Gowdy wants to be re-elected in 2012, he better learn what his JOB DESCRIPTION is all about!




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